Leon Logothetis

Jason Miller  00:00

Hi, JAM here from Peaceful Media. So we created marketing for what matters with an Express mission to help heal the planet. But what if that mission begins right here in the heart, not with carbon charts or scope three analyzes, but with a quiet courage to meet our own hearts. The climate crisis isn’t just out there, it’s a ghost in our machines that say you’re not enough to heal the Earth, we must first rewild our relationship with ourselves. And today’s guest is Leon Logothetis. He’s the creator of The Kindness Diaries and the new raw and radically good documentary film called The Kindness Within available now on Amazon Prime because here’s the truth they don’t teach in boardrooms or B School. A heart at war with itself, will always treat the planet as a prey, but a spirit rooted in self kindness. Well, that’s how we birth the next economy, one where we outweighs me, join us as we explore how saving the planet starts with inner peace and reclaiming our sense of worth, because, as within so without. Let’s dive into this special episode of marketing for what matters. Hi, I’m Jason, I’m

 

Nicole  01:30

Fran, I’m Carly. This is Bo Peter and I’m Nicole, and this is marketing for what matters, where we explore how marketing paired with a regenerative mindset can uplift humanity, heal the planet, and still achieve profitable business around

 

Leon Logothetis  01:47

freedom. Think about that for a second. How far would you go to feel completely free? Liberation

 

Speaker 1  01:59

is the only goal. Heaven is not the goal. God is not the goal. Liberation is the only goal. This is a realization that ultimately, the only thing that matters to you is that you want to be free.

 

Leon Logothetis  02:17

What began with a moment of despair led to a life changing adventure to India, a journey in search of God and meaning.

 

Speaker 2  02:29

The truth is, the heroes are not known by their trophies.

 

Leon Logothetis  02:35

It just doesn’t it just truly, just doesn’t want to end whatever I do.

 

Speaker 2  02:41

They’re known by their scars. We can actually become even more beautiful than we were before we were wounded.

 

Leon Logothetis  02:51

We are all searching for something.

 

02:56

What is the purpose of life? Is it just

 

Speaker 2  02:58

to wake up, make babies, make money, go on a vacation and then die. Surely, there has to be more to why we’re here.

 

Leon Logothetis  03:07

To be truly free, we must first face ourselves. I needed someone something to hold me and just say, Everything’s gonna be okay. And that never really happened.

 

Speaker 3  03:24

It’s this hung of the Divine that’s everywhere. That’s who God is. That’s what God is, and that’s what you are. Come

 

Leon Logothetis  03:33

on an adventure to the other side of the world, where the pursuit of God reveals a profound truth, the answers we seek have always been Within

 

Jason Miller  03:55

Leon, hello, hello, I wanted to start this special episode not by framing what it is and what it isn’t, but just being present with you. You’ve obviously made a profound film about all sorts of themes that matter and resonate deeply with me. And I want to set an intention for this episode of marketing, for what matters right out of the gates, and that is to be in presence and honor what you’ve done in this journey called the kindness within a journey to freedom, which was all about the journey to freedom as human beings. Yeah, and we’re going to dive into the whole story of how this originated, where you were coming from, where you want to go with this. But first of all, I just want you to know how much this film meant to me and means to me, and what an honor and a privilege it is to be here. Here in this beautiful space, in this beautiful moment, and see you and honor you for the courage, the money I mean, just the investment of all of you, and portraying this journey for everyone to see. I call these naked and brave options in life, right? You decided to put your your heart out there in the biggest way possible that you had the means to put out there, and it’s on Amazon Prime, available for free for all Amazon Prime members, even if you don’t have Amazon Prime, go, go buy this film. That’s my that’s my instant plug and commercial for this film. It will radically change your life. And that’s why we’re here, because this film matters, Leon, welcome to marketing for what matters.

 

Leon Logothetis  05:58

Thank you for having me. Leon, excited, that’s it. Thank you.

 

Jason Miller  06:05

So to share this moment with you before we get into the whole piece, I’d love to know what your intention is.

 

Leon Logothetis  06:17

20 years ago, I stumbled across the movie The Motorcycle Diaries, which transformed my life. It’s a romanticized version of Che Guevara traveling around South America relying on kindness. I was a broker at that point, and I had everything on the outside, but very depressed, very anxious on the inside, but I was wearing a mask, not the COVID 19 type, the psychological mask that said everything was okay, but it wasn’t. And that movie transformed me enough for me to make a decision to quit my job. And what I want people to get from this movie is something similar to realize there’s another way to live. So I want people to watch the movie and to have even a small amount of transformation, because that small amount can can change the direction of your life irrevocably in a good way. So that’s it,

 

Jason Miller  07:11

hmm, no pressure. No. What’s your intention in this moment? The movie is done. The movie is out there, available for the masses, who you know all across the world, well, not exactly right all across the world, but available in many major countries. And when I if I may, I look around society right now, we’re hyper polarized. We’re destroying Mother Earth. We are destroying each other in many ways. While we destroy our own lives, we over consume most things. And I see this, this film, as a as an antidote to that right, another way of being and showing up in the world. And so it’s it’s not something from what I understand of you and of this film. It’s not just your personal quest for relief from grief and depression and the angst and the separation you have felt, the probably loneliness as well. There’s something that transcends your personal quest with this film. Would you be able to speak to

 

Leon Logothetis  08:29

that 100% I mean, the movie is technically about me, but it’s really about you, right? And everyone who’s sitting here watching this or listening to this, right? Right? So I’m just, I just happened to be the vessel of the individual who had the issues that we’ll talk about and then went out to find freedom. But that’s universal. There isn’t a single human being listening to this or watching this that hasn’t had an issue and that hasn’t wanted to find a way to be free. We all have. So although the movie is about me, it’s really about you. That’s what we wanted to make very clear. And you, yeah, and you,

 

Jason Miller  09:09

I don’t mind, I don’t mind spiking the camera for this, because that is really we are both here to be vessels for promoting this film, right? Because, as I told you in our pre interview this, this is in my bones, you know, you made the film that I would love to make. You know, so I am. I am a willing ambassador, an eager ambassador, for getting this film out to as many eyeballs as possible. And so, by way of this humble little podcast, we’re doing our spiritual work in the world and creating more peace within all human beings and helping, ultimately, to heal the planet

 

09:52

one small step at a time.

 

Jason Miller  09:54

That’s right, one one heart at a time. Yes, there you go. That’s better, one heart at a time. I like it. Look like if you feel peace within you, right, and you love yourself, you’re gonna be so much kinder to the person you’re passing by in the street. Or you may even pull off that horn right when you’re feeling impatient, right? Yes, you also might not toss the thing out the window of the car, right, and yeah, somebody else will figure it out and pick it up, right? Might be just a little bit kinder to this beautiful planet of ours as well. And that’s, that’s where I think peace, this inner peace, that you are helping people find with this film is ultimately helping to heal the planet.

 

Leon Logothetis  10:44

That’s what I would like to think. Like you said, one heart at a time. And if we can transform one heart through 90 minutes of film, which is what happened to me many years ago, then, then Mission accomplished, right?

 

Jason Miller  10:58

That? This is the Motorcycle Diaries for the next human being, his There you go, seeking that. There you go, journey. That’s it. Yeah, that’s a different format. There you are. Well, I want to jump right into the film again, a kind, the kindness within,

 

Leon Logothetis  11:14

right? The kindness within a journey to freedom, right?

 

Jason Miller  11:17

And on Amazon Prime, pop on in there on most smart TVs. We’re gonna play some clips from there. I’ve thought about a lot of different places to start, okay? And the obvious way is to start the way you started it, which is, I was this, had all this success with the kindness diaries, yeah, I had lots of financial success. I’m imagining from being a financial broker in the industry in London, yeah, and and then yet, still, I find myself in agony. You know, I’m putting words slightly into your story. But what I what I felt in the in the film which you document, is a breakdown. Oh, absolutely, fetal position. Help me, because I’m barely holding off

 

12:15

Absolutely.

 

Jason Miller  12:17

So that’s the obvious place to start. We can stop that. Like, you know, every hero’s journey has that moment of, I need to surrender to something bigger, right? Because I’m, I’m not able to deal, right? Yeah, absolutely. But instead, I want to, I want to scrub ahead to some of the moments I know, minute 49 there’s a sequence where the music picks up. It feels like the crescendo of the film. You’re truly going through the first what I feel, as far as the film narrative goes, the first epiphanal moment of Yes, feeling that kindness within. So I’m tempted to just go right there. But also, there are so many moments throughout the film where I’m like, No, this is the epiphany. This is the transcendence. This is that stillness within that we’re all seeking, right? But where do you feel? I’m just gonna ask you now, like, where, which scene would you feel is showcases, with the music, with the imagery, with the with the person that you’re dialoguing with, which piece is the piece that we’re all seeking? And you can take that in both ways, peace and peace. Yeah,

 

Leon Logothetis  13:41

look, I would say ultimately, it’s the scene of the Golden Temple at God’s kitchen. You don’t want to give too much away of the movie, right? But that scene was a transformative moment for me, and that’s the crescendo I’m talking about. Okay, that’s nine, no, no, that’s no, that’s long. Let’s pull it up. Okay, we can do that. So this is it. This is I don’t want to show the whole scene, because it’ll give everything away, but this is it. The Rabbi’s words empowered me during the journey. I hadn’t realized that I’d actually been having these little moments of God from all my experiences, armed with all the spiritual tools I had gathered so far, I felt an immense strength within I had accepted love, faced my pain, surrendered and was now ready. I sensed I was a breath away from God.

 

Speaker 4  14:42

There’s a time in your life when you’re drawing closer to that time of awakening, spiritual awakening, and so you’re a little bit more receptive. There’s just an opening. Your inner sense begins to open up, and you’re more receptive. You. Through that inner guidance

 

Leon Logothetis  15:02

inspired I visited a place hailed as one of the most spiritual sites in the world, the Golden Temple, the divine center of the Sikh religion. I was greeted by jawswinder, a temple elder who helped me blend in. Sorry.

 

15:26

Okay, so just go in the washroom and

 

Leon Logothetis  15:29

look. Okay. First of all, I want to say that I feel very honored. Thank you. Thank you. It’s a great guy, this guy. Anyway, I don’t want to give away

 

Jason Miller  15:37

the whole, yeah, that’s not give away without if we, if we could go to minute 49 minute 49 Yeah, I see something happens that makes the rest of the film just like frosting, like the cherry on top, in my opinion, because I see your breakthrough already happening, and saw a guru. Yeah, it happened. Nails it. It happened. Voiceover around here, yeah,

 

Leon Logothetis  16:04

by facing my pain, the dam broke. There was now no turning back you. I was overcome with a burning desire to explore all the majesty India had to offer, determined to experience every step of my journey fully. Ah,

 

Speaker 1  16:57

the idea of stepping out is to step out into unfamiliar conditions, isn’t it? You can joyfully step into unfamiliar conditions, only if you have this assurance, no matter what happens to you around you, your experience of life will not be determined by those things. Your experience of life is always determined by you. Only if you have this freedom. Will you want to walk full stride in your life? Otherwise, you will become a half a step. Most human beings are just a half a stride, never a full stride. You

 

Leon Logothetis  18:02

The journey was offering a simple lesson. Pain is a teacher, and we are all students.

 

Speaker 3  18:13

We’re here to learn lessons. The more we learn, the closer to truth, the more fun we have to

 

Leon Logothetis  18:18

have. God revealed to me, what should I do? I

 

Speaker 5  18:22

would suggest first, it would be self discovery, like you have to really know yourself. The process of finding yourself who you really are, God will reveal Himself to you.

 

18:46

First question Anna God, is he real?

 

Leon Logothetis  18:54

I think ideally we just want to be somewhere between happy and ecstatic. God, if you’re listening, I would like to be happy all the time.

 

Jason Miller  19:04

That’s it. That’s it. I have so many things to say about that montage. Okay, first of all, brilliant job by the whole team,

 

Leon Logothetis  19:14

your whole team, I’ll tell them that. Oh, they’ll watch the podcast. So, yeah, I’ll say the way you created

 

Jason Miller  19:19

a crescendo, well before the crescendo, the the actual climax to the film is a, is a moment of pure stillness in the in the center of chaos. You know, I think you’re in Los Angeles for that SRF or No, no, that was overseas. Yeah. Anyways, you had that moment of of pure divinity, and the way you got there is what I saw, everything demonstrated in that montage, the things that I know connect me to the flow of life, and I’m sure you, you, you demonstrated it right there. Play, right. I play, laughter, music, dance, communion with with fellow human beings, right? So what does that accurate is that something like when you look at that montage, is that something that you felt was a part of your transcendence into that experience of oneness and kindness within

 

Leon Logothetis  20:25

Absolutely. I mean, you don’t just find God or source or universe by reading a book or by speaking to someone wise. It’s the whole shebang which is connecting with people, connecting with yourself, connecting with nature, joy, love everything. So that’s why we put that montage there, because I’d had a moment before that, that was a dark moment, and I’d had a revelation. And then from that revelation came this,

 

Jason Miller  20:55

well, you mentioned dark moment, so that’s a natural segue. Now I got to go back to the beginning of the film, where the whole thing starts. Okay, because how do you feel about that, by the way.

 

Leon Logothetis  21:11

So look, let’s, I’ll explain what happened, right? So you know, I was, I was very I had all the success. I was on Netflix two seasons. I was speaking in stadiums. I was writing books. I was on some of the best press out there, you know. And I had arrived supposedly, but I realized I had not arrived actually. And it was just like another example of me running from myself. Yeah, doesn’t mean I regret this success. I don’t, and doesn’t mean I’m saying don’t go and get success. Get as much success as you want. But if your success is just external and not internal, then it’s not true success, right? And you know what true success is if you feel it. So I was very depressed, very anxious, in a really bad way, and I found myself up in my my house, up in up in Hollywood, and I had just had enough, so I wrote a I wrote a suicide note. I didn’t act on it, but I was in a terrible, terrible place, and instead of acting on it, I called my therapist, who’s in the movie great at like, some random time, like 11 o’clock at night, or something ridiculous, which normally he would be asleep, I don’t know, whatever. He wasn’t asleep. He was awake. He picked up the phone. Obviously he’s like, wisely on calling me 11 o’clock at night. So we spoke through it, and he talked me off the ledge, which was which was good. And the next morning, I actually found myself in a book shop in Venice Beach, the mystic book shop, the one that used to be on aberkini, and now it’s on Main Street in Santa Monica. And I randomly saw yogananda’s book Autobiography of a Yogi, which I’d seen many, many times, but I hadn’t ever picked it up, but for whatever reason this time I did. So I picked up the book, and I randomly opened it again, totally randomly. And then I randomly looked at, looked at Yeah, and I randomly looked at a paragraph, and in it, he was talking to a soon to be guru, and he said, If you reveal God to me, I will follow you anywhere. And I had an epiphany. I was like, Oh, my goodness, that’s it. That’s the answer. I’m not talking about the God that lives up in the sky with the white beard. I’m talking about universal love, universal energy source, universe, whatever you want to call it, right? And I had this epiphany. I picked up the phone, I called my director, the guy that and the cinematographer, and I said, Look, I want to go to India to find God. Do you want to come with me? And he knew that I was a little bit out there, yeah. Well, okay, out there, out there, like with my ideas, like circumnavigating the world on kindness, right? All this kind of craziness, you’re an adventure, exactly? So he said, Yeah, and that’s how it all began. I mean, that’s a shortened version of it, but that’s basically how it began.

 

Jason Miller  24:13

Okay? So, so many questions here. First of all, what were your beliefs going into that moment with Yogananda.

 

Leon Logothetis  24:23

So I wasn’t a religious man then, and I’m not a religious man now. Then I was dabbling in spirituality, and now I would say that I’m immersed in it. Got it right. I have no issues with religion. If that’s your way to God, then God bless you. Pardon the pun, but I was, I don’t know. I had to experience it for myself to be able to truly embody it, as with everyone, right? So I, I needed to experience it. I felt it enough that. I knew that if Yogananda was telling his soon to be guru, that I will follow you anywhere if you reveal God to me, if he’s, if he’s, if he’s gonna do that, yeah, and he ended up being Yogananda, then why don’t I do that? And who knows, maybe it’ll happen for me too.

 

Jason Miller  25:17

Yes, yes. So in one of the beautiful things about the film is that you’re not focused on one approach to experiencing that embodiment. Call it what you will. Eckhart calls it stillness, right? Or many religions call it love. Go to Bali. You experience God just in the eyes. Fiji, you go to, you go there, and you experience it just by looking into people’s eyes. That is God, right? You go to, you in the film, go to represent most major religions, and ultimately find that at their core, they’re really talking about the same thing at the core, and all the rest is decorative. Yes, right, and so it’s one of the reasons why I love it. Growing up in a really extreme this is the way. This is the only way. Thump, thump, thump. You know, meditation, that’s a that’s a gateway to the devil. You know, like those containers need, those walls need to be broken down in society, because it perpetuates the lie of separation. And when we truly embody what you embodied, will understand viscerally that you and I are one brother, like we’re just we’re just different flowers on the same vine, expressing our personalities, but seeking that same stillness and Peace that Swami Ji talks about at the end, am I getting his name correct?

 

Leon Logothetis  27:04

Yeah. Swamiji puja, Swamiji puja, Puj, Puj Puj wa pucha Swami Ji here to work on those. I think that’s it. No puja. Puja. Swamiji

 

Jason Miller  27:16

Swami Ji, we thank you for allowing us definitely thank you perhaps get your name incorrect. Yeah, the important thing is, his message is an important one, and that is that you aren’t necessarily called to stop caring about any of the worldly things, right you talk about, you said, through the frame of success. Success can be measured in a lot of different ways. Instagram likes and money and cars and clothes we wear, et cetera, et cetera. And Swami G comes back to you with a banger. He says, I’m gonna butcher the words a little bit, but as long as you’re not purely focused on that, that you’re not finding satisfaction and peace or trying to find peace, because that is a futile road right to stillness and peace, right? It’s just chasing those things because it’s never ends. You’re always going to be on that quest for that success. There’s no peace there.

 

28:14

That is very true. He’s a wise man, yeah.

 

Jason Miller  28:16

So let’s go, if you don’t mind, let’s go to that scene you just described.

 

28:23

Yeah, this is an interesting moment.

 

Speaker 4  28:26

Congratulations on living the life I daydream about all day long.

 

Leon Logothetis  28:37

But things are not always as they seem, how

 

28:56

old you are today? Interview.

 

Speaker 6  29:16

Depression can be manifested in a physical way. It can show up as a feeling of anger and that nothing is okay.

 

Speaker 2  29:30

Why is it painful to look within? Because you see your darkness. That is painful. It’s so much easier to put on the facade which you present to the world? I.

 

30:01

I had reached a point of no return, to be honest,

 

Speaker 6  30:09

although he didn’t say it in the exact words, he was giving up. And I I believe he was giving up because of all the things that he had tried didn’t work.

 

Leon Logothetis  30:26

Nothing worked. It just doesn’t it just truly, just doesn’t want to end whatever I do. It just

 

Speaker 6  30:36

he didn’t know what else to do. He’s out of choices. When he called, I listened to him think that he knew that I would hear him without judgment.

 

Jason Miller  30:51

So while that moment is deeply personal, deeply and your vulnerability is result just off the charts, right? How do you how do you feel like this connects to, let’s I’m not gonna put a number to many people. Let’s just

 

Leon Logothetis  31:11

say there is no a single human being that hasn’t suffered, right? There’s not a single human being that hasn’t felt pain. There’s not a single human being that hasn’t cried. There’s not a single human being that hasn’t felt like they can’t go on. It’s universal. So what I did by putting it in the movie was just universalize the movie like if you see my pain, you’re really seeing your own pain. If you’re seeing me being able to be vulnerable and cry, then it gives you permission to do the same thing. That’s it,

 

Jason Miller  31:45

right? And beyond the vulnerability and crying began a quest. Yeah, right, yeah. It’s right here in that scene you’re holding Yogananda, his book here, absolutely Autobiography of the yogi and talking about how that kicks off

 

Leon Logothetis  32:04

this journey. It absolutely kicks it off. From there. Now

 

Jason Miller  32:08

your journey has a film crew, right? How do you feel like this? This film relates to the opportunity for other people, the rest of humanity, who is experiencing that same desire and desperation for something

 

Leon Logothetis  32:26

more, of course. So everyone’s journey is different. My first step was to read, to call my therapist, right, right? And then the next step was to go to the bookstore, and then the next step was to get onto the plane. You don’t have to do that. You could text your friend and say, Hey, I’m depressed. Can we chat? You can go onto Amazon, if you have anxiety, and buy a book about anxiety. You if you need support, you can call a hotline if you need

 

32:58

go to Amazon Prime Video and search for

 

Leon Logothetis  33:02

Well, there you go. You could do that too. I can’t say that, but you can. But my point is that every journey starts somewhere, and your journey doesn’t have to be to get on a plane to go to India. Your journey can be to call up a therapist and make an appointment to start the process of helping yourself to go from broken to not broken, right? Baby steps are so powerful. Just take that first step. Just do it. Yeah, I know that’s what Mike says, right? But literally, just do it. Just Just, just force yourself to make that one thing like force yourself to send that one text to someone safe. I am currently crying, can you help me? Yeah, or whatever it is, or maybe you don’t want to go that far. You want to just say, Hey, I’m not having a good day. Can you chat? That one step is all it takes sometimes to change everything. Yeah.

 

Jason Miller  33:57

So what made you decide to film your process, your journey. Well, look, I’ve

 

Leon Logothetis  34:03

used my art as a way to help my pain, and in the process, hopefully help other people’s pain. So I could have done this by myself, but then you and I wouldn’t be sitting here, right? People wouldn’t be watching it on prime, and no one would get any benefit except me. So I created art out of it, and took my pain, transformed it, and hopefully it will help transform your pain a little bit. That’s it. Connecting

 

Jason Miller  34:33

that back to Swami G at the end, there’s a third t here with his beautiful alliteration. I don’t know if he’s just like some sort of linguistic master, maybe. But he says, After you find that inner peace that you you experience in the presence of him, and experience of your whole journey, that inner peace now use now. It’s not That’s That’s great. You found this inner peace you. Now serve from that place. Serve, take your tech, take your tenacity, take your talent and share that with others, right? You remember that? Of course, of course, yeah, of course. Does that compel you? Does that move you every single day, now that the film is is out there to do whatever you can to be of service to humanity.

 

Leon Logothetis  35:29

Look, the movie is an act of service. That’s what I believe. That’s what the rest of the crew believes. It’s an act of service. If you watch it and you get touched by it, then we have, in some way, served, right?

 

Jason Miller  35:41

Yes. And you mentioned in your voiceover that I was doing all these things, I wrote the books, I gave, the speeches, I made, the the TV shows, etc. That wasn’t service. When you compare that to what happens at the Golden Temple, which we’ll get to, yes,

 

Leon Logothetis  35:59

right? So, so the movie is an act of service. There are greater acts of service, absolutely. But for me, the movie was an act of service, getting it out to the world was, is an act of service, absolutely. But there is obviously a lot more that can be done on a far grander scale than that.

 

Jason Miller  36:19

No, I’m it’s not a question of, is your service sufficient or valid? This is a question of, Do you feel that innate drive from that that servant’s heart that you’ve found and experienced in the Golden Temple, for instance?

 

Leon Logothetis  36:39

Do you feel that? I do feel it, and I still don’t feel like I’m fully embracing it. To be honest with you, I could sit here and say to you, oh yes, I finished the movie. But you don’t lie What? But you don’t Well, that’s all I’m saying. Thanks. Yeah. So I could say, well, you know, everything was has been magnificent since then, and I’m serving like, like the greatest server in the world, whoever that may be, whatever religion you you believe in, but that would not be true. I’m trying. The movie is my first, let’s say salvo out there, and we’ll see what happens beyond that. Yeah,

 

Jason Miller  37:18

would you mind quickly sharing the story of the night with the man experiencing homelessness. Yes,

 

Leon Logothetis  37:25

right? Absolutely. So in the journeys, I would go out to people in the streets, and I’d say, Can I stay in your house tonight, generally, with the motorbike and everything. And well, the motorbike wouldn’t stay in the house, but whatever. And they would say, No, of course not. I don’t even know you, right? So, no,

 

37:43

yeah, yeah, okay, their dog, yeah, everyone,

 

Leon Logothetis  37:46

within reason, they couldn’t like to go, yeah, within reason, pretty much I would walk up to anyone, right? And so I was in Pittsburgh, and I had no place to stay, and I went up to this guy in the park, and, you know, he seemed very well dressed like you and I. And I asked him if I could stay in his house tonight. Well, not you, but me, yeah, take it Yes. And I said, Can I stay in your house tonight? And he looks at me, he goes, Oh, I’m so sorry, but I’m homeless, and I was taking them back. I mean, you know, I’m doing a social experiment here, right? Obviously, in real life, I’m not homeless. I feel a sense of shame, and I end up about to walk coffee. Turns around. He says, Well, hold on, if you want, you can stay with me tonight. I’ll feed you, I’ll protect you, and I’ll give you some clothes. Every fiber of my being was like, Leon, my good friend, you are not staying on the streets of Pittsburgh tonight. But then there’s there was that counterintuitive voice that said, Leon buddy, you are staying on the streets of Pittsburgh tonight. And that’s what happened. I ended up sleeping on the streets of Pittsburgh. He fed me, he protected me, and he gave me some clothes, exactly what he said he would do, and he taught me two truly profound lessons. Lesson number one, and this was done before the film. Lesson number one, kindness is free. It’s free. It doesn’t matter how much money you have. Doesn’t matter how much how close to God you are, or how far away from God you are. Kindness is free. If a homeless man with nothing can be kind, then why can’t I? Right? Yeah, right. Second lesson, he told me, was true, wealth is not in our wallets, but in our hearts. Now, am I telling you to give away all your money? No. Am I telling you to stop searching for your dreams, no, but the truest of wealth is how we show up, how we treat each other. Again, imperfectly. I’m not espousing perfection, by any stretch, and it was a profound lesson, and it changed me. There were there were moments in my life that have changed me. One is the motorcycle that. Right? The other one was the night with Tony, and there have been more, but another one was at the Golden Temple in Amritsar, right? So in the in the show, at the end of each episode, we give an unsuspecting Good Samaritan a life changing gift. So we ended up putting him up in an apartment and sending him back to school. And he would always say to me, yeah. He would always say to me, Leon, you changed my life. And I would always say to him, No, you changed my life. I just spent, I don’t know, 10 hours on the streets once in my life. This guy had been on the streets for 10 years, and it was like my whole heart was opened because of one man’s kindness.

 

Jason Miller  40:46

This is a an appropriate place to just comment on this hat. Okay, this is you just purchased this today from Indiana, Indiana. They this, this band in particular that you assigned to that to give yourself kind of an Oracle card to the universe. Okay, this one is reciprocity. I wanted to wear this today because of my feelings of being in flow with reciprocity that you know you spent a bunch of money and time and energy exploring this topic that’s so dear to me. And if there’s anything I can be of service to help get this out, then that’s that, to me, this is a reciprocal exchange. Does that make sense? Yes, it does. Thank you. And these hats are sourced down in Indigenous women’s collective in Peru by my dear friend Laura Greer. This is an UNsponsored plug for something I believe, because it seemed appropriate, yeah, the reciprocity, which is a huge piece of this film and part of your breakthrough, yeah, absolutely, very, definitely, especially that day in the Golden Temple. So I wanted to shift gears just a little bit, because this is called Marketing for what matters, right? And you and I chatted a little bit about marketing films. I’m deeply curious, because I’m a filmmaker in budding, you know, budding filmmaker, I would love to hear more about how you go about a getting distribution for your film, because distribution itself is marketing, right. B, how you think about getting the word out? You know, do traditional means, untraditional means, etc. Could we start there and sure for, but for, and just to make sure this is relevant for our audience. There are a lot of people who are holding filmmaking devices in their in their hands right now. Now, what are we posting to social media? And is that creating that ripple effect of of good vibes, of love, union, oneness, connection, harmony, or are we using these filmmaking devices to perform other acts? You know, everything else that we can showcase in in from our from these devices. So I’m this, whether you’re a filmmaker by title, or simply someone who has a camera in their hands most of their day. We all have this opportunity to create the kindness within and throughout the world by what we expose our feeds

 

Leon Logothetis  43:35

to absolutely. And you get to choose, right? So now

 

Jason Miller  43:39

you’re you’re doing that. This, this at scale. I had this. You had these. You had a whole document, feature documentary film. So could you just talk to us about how that operation worked? Sure.

 

Leon Logothetis  43:52

So, I mean, look, you talked about distribution. So the way we did this was we filmed it, we edited it, and then we’ve got a distributor on board, and that distributor was responsible for getting it on Prime Video. Okay, it’s not an easy process. Obviously, we’re independent filmmakers, and it’s a it’s an honor to have been able to get it to this point so that people can watch it. Because if you don’t get it on a on a platform, however magnificent your work is and however much it could transform someone, if no one sees it, then the impact it has is far less. So the next question is, you asked me how to get it out to the world. So you get it onto a platform, right, whatever platform that may be, what we did was we hired PR people, we hired social impact people, and we hired social media people. Obviously, we had the resources to be able to do that. And there was a big campaign that was put into place to get this out to as many people. As possible. And again, that’s the very, very simplistic way of putting it, but that’s basically how it happened. And I will say that for any of your listeners, if they want to ask direct questions about that, they can just contact me on Instagram at the kindness guy. And I will respond to everyone. I always respond to the as you know, I responded to you, and I’ll answer specific questions, what

 

Jason Miller  45:27

would you recommend to somebody who doesn’t have the big budgets for marketing, PR, social impact teams?

 

Leon Logothetis  45:36

I would say, do a grass roots campaign. Right? First of all, your product has to be good. So if you’re creating a film that’s not good, or you’re creating content that’s not good, it doesn’t matter how much you put into it, or how many people you get to watch it, because no one’s going to watch it. So the first thing to concentrate on is to make it good. Yes, right. So once you’ve done that, you can then go out and do all the grassroots stuff that people are doing all the time, whether it’s tick tock, whether it’s Instagram, whether it’s Facebook, whatever it may be YouTube, and get it out that way. So

 

Jason Miller  46:10

while we were looking at the clock just to see where we’re at time wise, we noticed the clock said 444, and so we said, well, that’s gotta mean something. So I’m gonna read this and then that’ll we’ll use this to guide us for the rest of the episode. So this is divine guidance and support. This seems relevant. I’m not sure why. Seeing 444 repeatedly is a powerful sign that you are being spiritually guided and supported. It indicates that your guardian angels are present, watching over you and providing encouragement on your path. This number serves as a reminder that you are not alone in your journey, and that divine forces are working in your favor, which is

 

Leon Logothetis  46:54

not surprising. Do you know what I’m gonna tell you? A story about that. So when I was in Rishikesh, I had arrived in India. I’d been in India for about two or three days, and I was in a hotel in the mountains of Rishikesh, and I gave up. I said to myself, I gave up. Is this in the film? Yeah, no, it’s not in the film. It’s not it’s not in the film. You gave up, yeah, it’s not in the film. So I decided I was going to go home, right? Remember the divine guidance? I decided I was going to go home. Yeah. So I was on my way to my director’s room to tell him that I was going home, and this was it. I couldn’t do it anymore. As I was walking two or three days in, as I was walking through the hotel, I saw this room that the door was open, I was like, I’ll go in there. So I go into the room, and it’s a library, not a great library, right? But it’s a library in a hotel in Rishikesh. So I look around, and what do I find? Another of yogananda’s books, the Divine Romance. And what’s the Divine Romance about finding God. So in that moment, I said, okay, yeah, I get it. I’m not going home. I’m just not going home.

 

Jason Miller  48:10

So here’s more hardship, right? You confronted something. There you You came up against it. You’re about to exit. You had the that’s a symbolic as again, you’re ready to exit life, in a way, you’re ready to exit the flow,

 

Leon Logothetis  48:27

yeah, exactly, to go back to the home, to America. Well,

 

Jason Miller  48:31

yeah, yeah, right. And that’s interesting, because that’s what set you off on this journey, exactly, just about race, sure, sure, voluntarily, sure. Right? So first of all, what was the hardship you were facing? Why did you want to quit? Sometimes

 

Leon Logothetis  48:45

when you have to face yourself, you don’t want to. It’s literally that simple. And that was it. Yeah, it’s one thing to like, be in a book shop in Venice Beach and be like, Oh, I’m gonna go and find God. It’s another thing to actually get on a plane, go halfway across the world to India, find yourself in Rishikesh, and be like, Oh, I don’t want to face myself anymore. Yeah, I forget this. I’m just gonna go back home. So it’s we’ve all had that. We’ve all had moments of not wanting to go on. I’m not talking about physically, I’m talking about emotionally or psychologically. We just

 

Jason Miller  49:24

have had enough. And then what happens in your in your experience of humanity?

 

Leon Logothetis  49:28

Well, either we give up or we don’t. What does giving

 

Jason Miller  49:32

up mean for the majority in your experience, going

 

Leon Logothetis  49:36

back to the status quo, being in a place that you don’t want to be in, right, being in a relationship you don’t want to be in, and never being able to break that bond because it’s too painful. So you stay stuck.

 

Jason Miller  49:52

Isn’t that where most people feel like they are and as they stew in that and marinate in that stuckness? Um. Knowing that there’s something else around that corner, but there, it feels safer and more certain. Here it may be painful, it may feel feel I may feel that freaking agony, but it’s certainly something I’m familiar with. Yes,

 

Leon Logothetis  50:14

of course, I’ve done that many, many, many, many times, so I know what it feels like. And I’m sure everyone listening or watching this knows what it feels like to be stuck. And had I got on that plane and gone back home, I would still be stuck. But I didn’t, because I was nudged by Yogananda. I mean, what are the odds that, as I’m walking to the room I see in another room I see out of I don’t know there were 1520 books in there, and one of them is the Divine Romance, like

 

Jason Miller  50:43

it’s perfect. I’d like to go to the Golden Temple as you’re coming out of it, as you’re realizing, I think you I think the way you said it, we can just listen to your voiceover, but think of the way you said it is, I’m experiencing God, and it is love, right? And again, it may be misstating that, but I’d like to watch that scene and see a little bit of operations, hear a little bit about it, the operations of serving 100,000 sure we can do that every single day with volunteers.

 

Leon Logothetis  51:22

Yeah. I mean, you know, to me this, if anyone were to say to me, what is your favorite scene in the movie, it would be this scene with the I don’t want to show again. I don’t want to give too much away, right, but I do want to, I will show some of

 

Jason Miller  51:36

1. It sets up where I’d like to go from a marketing standpoint, okay,

 

51:39

well, I’ll show more with them.

 

Speaker 2  51:43

So when you arrive at the Golden Temple, it is an incredible feeling. There is a serenity and an energy. Thank you.

 

Leon Logothetis  51:59

Yes, it’s very beautiful. So if I wanted to come here at 5am in the morning, I Can 24

 

52:04

hours.

 

52:06

And what are they doing? Praying you

 

Speaker 2  52:20

food. And then you enter this place called God’s kitchen, where 1000s are being fed. You actually realize there’s no difference. We are one. The tenant of the faith is there is no difference. We are. One is experienced right there and that.

 

Speaker 7  52:52

No image of God a basic religion. He has no color, no caste, no creed, no physique, no shape. He is just omnipotent. He is just omnipresent. The God’s Wi Fi connection is open to everyone. You will get a direct connection, because in the Sikh religion, the service of mankind, the service of humanity, is the surface of God, he makes it possible for us to give food to 100,000 people each day. At the Golden Temple, it’s not an easy task to serve food to 100,000 people each day. It’s by His blessings you.

 

Leon Logothetis  54:04

What do you guys do? Is truly unbelievable. As I was walking through the kitchens, I felt that I was walking through God’s kitchen. I

 

Speaker 7  54:30

you feel that there is a feeling that is God, your whole body vibrates. There is something entering into your body that positive vibes. So from where it comes, comes from the God.

 

Leon Logothetis  54:51

I decided to stay a little longer and do service in the kitchen.

 

Speaker 2  54:59

1. It’s one thing to say it, but it’s another thing to internalize it and then to live it. It’s only when you live it that the change comes. There’s a difference. Different sort of energy that the people there have to be there and to be served with such love and reverence. You they are enchanting the prayers. There is a smile on their faces. They are so grateful to be able to do this for you.

 

56:21

Everyone who is there wants to be there. It’s not forced. So the question comes, why do they want to be

 

Leon Logothetis  56:38

there? I felt this was why I came to India. It’s one thing to be a searcher, a seeker. It’s another thing to transform that seeking into giving. And for many years, I was purely a seeker. A couple of years ago, with the kindness diaries, I started to give, but I still felt like the seeking part of it was still greater than the giving part of it for me, and that had to change. I the things that made this just incredible was the scale of the service, the magnitude of giving back the amount of bread that was being made, the amount of food that was being given, the amount of love that was being shared, the amount of people that were being fed, they don’t turn anyone away.

 

58:01

Do you reap in the power of this film?

 

Leon Logothetis  58:04

Absolutely, beyond Absolutely. I mean, I believe that this film has the potential to transform if you’re in the right place at the right time, and you watch the movie, it can transform.

 

Jason Miller  58:14

When I asked you a couple days ago what your vision or goal was for viewership, like, what success looks like for you as the creator of this work of art, you said something like, I don’t know, a few, or something along those lines. I

 

Leon Logothetis  58:33

think I said 1 million people to watch it, 1 million. But you didn’t like that. I

 

Jason Miller  58:40

don’t think that makes an enough impact, right? That’s when I believe in something. You believe in something this much, then why not 100 million? I

 

Leon Logothetis  58:55

mean, look, if we could get this movie to those types of numbers, it has the potential to transform on an epic level,

 

Jason Miller  59:01

right? So this brings us to an opportunity for everyone, you, the audience, anybody who’s watching this and feeling compelled to see, to see what Charles Eisenstein calls the more beautiful world our hearts know is possible when we transcend this illusion that we are separate, and then I have to get mine before you get yours, because I won’t eat. I won’t eat if you get yours before I get mine, right? Just the kind of the way we’re treating each other in the planet, frankly. So they serve 100,000 people every single day. It’s a lofty vision, right? And it doesn’t it’s certainly not going to happen with one person, right? I know you have a team, even that team, the teams, can only do so much, sure with the resources they have. Yeah, and so what I’m feeling here, this is just an intuitive thing, and maybe you’ve already done this and explored it and failed, and that’s all good, poo, poo, it. But is to invite everyone who seeks a brighter, kinder, more loving world to be part of the marketing team. Does that land for you at all?

 

Leon Logothetis  1:00:35

Absolutely, yeah, yeah. I like that idea. Okay, of course, you said something brilliant to me, and you said you had to feel it in your bones, yes, in order to make this a success. And that was such a beautiful thing. Yeah.

 

Jason Miller  1:00:48

So my my invitation, then, is to create a campaign here. First of all, for anybody who’s watching this film, go watch the kindness within Journey to Freedom on Amazon, Prime Video, right. Go watch it, and if you feel a connection to it, then share it. Share your story with as many people who will listen. Both in person, you see someone who’s being kind, you say, have you seen the kindness within? Because you are demonstrating that right now. And I love it. You seem like you’re a free person. You seem like you’re playing with delight. You seem like you’re loving life. You’re in flow, you’re in joy. Have you seen the kindness within? Because you’re living it right now, right? So whenever you see that in life, strike up a commerce, quick conversation. It’s on Amazon Prime only in certain countries. Correct? All English speaking countries, all English speaking countries. Okay, so that’s step one. Watch the film. Start sharing it via the people you see in your life. Talk about it at your family dinner, watch it as a family. Watch it multiple times. That counts, right? I

 

Leon Logothetis  1:02:12

don’t know if it counts because I’ve watched it like 50 times. I don’t think so. When you go over

 

Jason Miller  1:02:17

to your friends, we have a movie night, Movie Night, Movie Night, if we all did that 11 times? Yeah, sure. You know, times a couple million, 10 million or so we’re in, we’re banking vias. So I don’t think it takes much as long as feel people feel inspired by this film. And I don’t see how you cannot be inspired by this film. So step one is to watch it and give yourself those what is it? 75 minutes, 90 minutes. 90 minutes. Give yourself 90 minutes to actually be with this film, not a watch it for five minutes. I’ll come back to it later thing. Give yourself that a full immersion, as if you’re going into ceremony or into birth or into rebirth, or into church, whatever it is, so that you can let this film suck into your bums like the way you and I feel it okay. So those are all the easy peasies You could certainly be part of that you could be going live on your platforms every single day for the next 90 days, asking people to participate in this grassroots campaign, right? Yeah, of course. Okay, I would too. Okay, fine, we can do some co Coll, but so get this out. There’s another level to this, though, because that’s all, um, that’s not fully utilizing the power of these. Like I said in the beginning, we’re all filmmakers, right? And so my invitation would be to take this to the next level, which is to record your testimonial. Record your testimonial about how what touched you. And that can be testimonials plural. It really ought to be, because if you’re anything like me or my friend here lately, on like every moment is poignant. Every moment is a reflection of something I’ve experienced in life, or we all, collectively as human beings, experience in life. And if you haven’t experienced it in life, then you see the things that you want to experience, which is all the things we talked about earlier, play, joy, dance, communion, communion piece, right? So the invitation again, is to record yourself talking about how the film touched your life. If you want to shoot a scene of it from Amazon Prime video, I think that’s okay, right? Sure shoot a scene of it from your phone. Hmm, and then flip it around and talk about why that affected you, how that affected you, what you loved about it. However you want to do the testimonial, use a hashtag. And I’m imagining you have one already, the kindness within the the kindness within, yeah, the kindness within. Use the hashtag so that Leon and the social media team and social impact team and PR team can get in there with Leon and help engage in the conversation and help share your testimonial and help proliferate something that is very hard to do, just like the meal in the Golden Temple, very hard to do. If we’re trying to do this, we’ll limit limited resources and limited team, sure, right? But what compels those people to walk in there every single day and flip those non

 

1:05:53

love love,

 

Jason Miller  1:05:55

right? So do we all want to see more loved in this world? Of course, we think, I think, yeah, absolutely. I think I want to hope that, yeah, right. So that’s the invitation. It’s as simple as that. I mean, we could go to the next level here and do crowdfunding, or pull some of the marketing resources into advertising, like pick testimonials that are extremely effective, or pick reels that are extremely effective for you, it takes 150 to $300 to get that thing seen by a million to a million and a half people across who are English speaking interesting. Do it all the time, right? So if there’s particularly poignant pieces that that you know will ripple into the 100. We’ll just call it the upward spiral right to 100 million viewers who’ve come through Amazon Prime. Then we put a minor ad budget behind it, and it’s as easy as click, click, click, boost to the right audiences, English speaking audiences, and away we go. You know, that’d be

 

Leon Logothetis  1:07:07

a good name for an ad company. Click, click, click, boost. We’re

 

Jason Miller  1:07:11

changing peaceful. Peaceful media is no longer we are. Click, click, click, boost, click, boosts. I think we should just start a campaign called you went the click, click, click, boost. I feel like you gotta, like do some so then there’s the next level, right, which is to leverage crowdfunding. So you have a trailer for your film. We put it up on Kickstarter or any of the crowdfunding platforms. Have you done this yet? No, okay, I would love to participate in that, because I see that as that that reciprocity piece, right, like when people contribute to making a film happen, or making the distribution and viewership of a film happen, It’s an expression from their own hearts. It’s service

 

1:08:02

of their mission. Yeah, like, right, so

 

Jason Miller  1:08:05

all we got to do is use your trailer to compel people to donate a buck. Donate 11 bucks. This is assuming we don’t have resources. And there’s many people who are making films who don’t have the budget you probably had, right, maybe struggling to get food on the table, right? So, like, what can you do with what you have? That’s the principle here.

 

Leon Logothetis  1:08:27

Yeah, from the CEO of click, click, click. Boost,

 

Jason Miller  1:08:33

I have officially retired from click, click, click. Boost, from a company called kiswanya. Okay, so we take those ad dollars, we take those dollars that you raise, yeah, and we funnel that into propelling which marketing has a bad rap. It’s just sharing what we believe is going to change the world. That’s marketing when it’s done, right, right? So what do you think about this? Do you feel like there’s merit in absolutely learning versions of grassroots? Yeah,

 

Leon Logothetis  1:09:09

we can absolutely chat about that. And obviously, any help that anyone can give me from watching this and they want to reach out to me. I mean, we’re open to anything cool. The aim is to get it out as many people as possible.

 

Jason Miller  1:09:21

So as part of these podcasts episodes, we do something called the double click segment. Yeah, click, click, click, boost, sorry, I’m double click, click, click, click. Boost, so above here, you’re gonna see, when you’re watching this, you’re gonna see a place Ian’s actually gonna put it on there. He’s our YouTube channel management guy, so he’s going to put a little clickable, clickable item here that’ll take you to the double click segment that we’ll record after this episode. Okay, we’ll record after this interview at least. And what it will do is we’ll go and set up something for you to help this grassroots a version of grassroots campaigns.

 

Leon Logothetis  1:09:59

Yes, okay, okay, cool. Yes. I very much appreciate that. I mean, look at any help you can give the film. Yeah, would be a godsend.

 

Jason Miller  1:10:10

The reason why we do the double click, just so everybody understands the intent, is that there’s somebody else out there who’s trying to distribute their kindness within maybe, okay, their version of something. They feel like it’s gonna have a positive Okay, okay, and they don’t have the resources, okay, so my vision with the double click segment is that somebody else is gonna be able to watch that special segment that branches off from this episode. Okay, follow the steps that we demonstrate on screen, okay, and go and execute on there. Okay, okay, so that we aren’t doing marketing behind closed walls, sure, sure. Okay, okay, so it doesn’t matter what it is, as long as it’s in service of a guest film. Okay, perfect, perfect. Where do you feel called to highlight? What do you feel called to highlight in the film that will help inspire people to join this grassroots movement?

 

Leon Logothetis  1:10:59

Most of us suffer in silence. We have years and years, decades, generations of pain that we do not let out, and it consumes us. This movie was my way of telling the world, or telling one individual person to share their pain. If I can share my pain, yeah, then so can you. And if you share your pain, I promise you, you’re on the you’re you will begin the journey towards freeing yourself. If you don’t share your pain, it’s very unlikely, yeah, that you will free yourself. So for me, that was what this movie was about. And I want people to safely share their pain, because you can share your pain in a way that is unsafe, right? That can cause more pain. No, find someone safe, even if it’s a movie or book where you feel mirrored, you feel like maybe you’re suffering depression, and you’ve never shared it with anyone, and you sit through this movie for 90 minutes, and by the end of it, you’re like, Okay, someone gets me, and maybe you’ll turn around and speak your truth. Yeah,

 

Jason Miller  1:12:15

that’s it. Speak your truth. Yeah. Like Shakespeare said that, did he I really like that line. Okay, speak your truth. Someone said it. I mean, maybe the most important thing we can do, there you go. So what is it? What is an example? This is a really important No, sure. I thought you brought it up. What’s in it? What’s an example of unsafe sharing,

 

Leon Logothetis  1:12:36

sharing with someone that won’t treat you with respect, sharing with someone who will take your truth and use it against you, sharing with someone who will shame you that’s unsafe, sharing, sharing with someone who’s safe is someone who will love you through your pain, won’t shame You, will show you compassion. Simple. Sometimes it’s difficult to determine who’s safe and who’s not safe, right? Because you think someone’s safe and they turn out not to be so be very careful. If you go to a therapist, you’re pretty much guaranteed that that person will be safe. Now, it doesn’t always happen that way, but generally, 99.9% of the time that therapist will

 

Jason Miller  1:13:21

be safe, yeah, yeah. Is your therapist getting

 

Leon Logothetis  1:13:26

flooded? He’s receiving quite a lot of emails. Yes, yes,

 

Jason Miller  1:13:29

that’s great. That’s good to see. I’m deeply curious about the way you’ve come back to the real world, so to speak. I think you were in the real world. But, you know, you come back,

 

Leon Logothetis  1:13:43

maybe I was in the more real world there, right? And here I came back to this matrix,

 

Jason Miller  1:13:48

this different, yeah, you’re in the matrix. You know, you’re in Los Angeles. I am imagining you’re not feeling as deeply connected as you were sitting across this far away from Swami G, and he’s like, touching, he’s like reaching into your soul, sure. I mean, that voice is better, yeah, crazy, better, yeah. Then he sings you, and it’s like, you know, we had like, trouble with heaven there, yeah. So what has been your experience, and how are you dancing between those two worlds, you’re literally watching yourself in those moments of utter inner peace, from what I can tell, and now you’re watching here from, you know, the vicinity of the matrix. Do you feel like you’re still two people like the rabbi talks about.

 

Leon Logothetis  1:14:43

So the rabbi said I was 5050, 50% in the world of spirit and 50% in the world of materialism. And he was 100% right, right? And it’s interesting, I would say, a couple of weeks ago was asked the question, what are. You now. And I said 6040 right, 60% in spirit, 40% in materialism. I would change it that now. I would change it to 6535 right, or maybe 62 and a half, 27 and a half. I don’t know my math. Is it 37 and a half? I don’t even remember 62 and a half and 37 and a half, I would say there. So you know, there’s been some shifts in the past few moments, for sure, in the past

 

Jason Miller  1:15:27

few moments, well, weeks, whatever. Weeks, okay, what is, what’s guiding that, that trajectory, what? In other words, your your being you’re being different, you’re doing things different, and you’re having a different experience of life. That’s Neil doll Walsh, I believe be do have bit of a legend, yeah. So the way you are being is causing me to do thing, do life differently, and ultimately, you’re you’re getting or having a different experience of life. So let’s use that framework. How are you consciously being that is helping you incrementally take those baby steps towards,

 

Leon Logothetis  1:16:15

I would say, more time in nature, more more.

 

1:16:21

Yeah, were, that’s why I wanted to go

 

Leon Logothetis  1:16:25

more meditation, yeah, like, I would do a lot of meditation with no music, and then I started doing guided meditation, which really got me deeper, right? Just some personal things that have been going on, that I’ve been dealing with, and just kind of making more of a choice to go down that road, instead of focusing on the darkness, focusing more on the light. That doesn’t mean the darkness isn’t there, and I ignore it. It’s there. I see it. I experience it. It’s not fun, but I focus more on the light, think small, little things like

 

Jason Miller  1:17:04

that. This is interesting. I’m just gonna pull on that thread just slightly, because you just a few minutes ago, we were talking about almost like an embracing of the pain. All right, not ignore the pain that you’ve experienced, because the more you’re shining a light on it, the more you can transcend it and heal it. Is that? Yeah, accurate, right? And now we’re also talking about where you’re placing your focus. Where are you pouring your energetic energy into? Is it focusing on the things that pull you back into the matrix?

 

1:17:39

I try not to focus on those things, right?

 

Jason Miller  1:17:40

And what are those? How? What’s your methodology for that? Well, one

 

Leon Logothetis  1:17:45

of the things I do is I don’t turn on the news. People tell me what’s going on. It’s not like I don’t know what’s going on, right? If anything really bad happens, the lights, yeah, they tell me, yeah. But if I used to wake up every morning, turn on the news, go to bed every night, turn on the news, and then you wonder why I was insane. Yeah, because it’s like levels of anxiety when you see what’s going on are just crazy making so I still know what’s going on. I can still take action if I need to, if I want to, but I don’t get anxious all the time. Yeah, that’s a really important piece of how the piece came. So nature,

 

Jason Miller  1:18:23

guided meditation, choosing what you’re gonna what channel your focus is, yeah, and turned on to, are you gonna book end your your day with the headlines, which are yearly streaming for the most part, with maybe a little insert here a feel good story from the local high school and back to the news. 50 people died today. And when we know that there’s, as you know from your kindness diaries, there’s kindness happening all the time, I

 

Leon Logothetis  1:19:00

would say the greatest source of news to understand what’s going on is to look at history. Obviously, the older days is that history repeats itself, but if you look at history, you see how human beings behave, and there’s no difference with what happened then and with what’s happening now, and history, anything

 

Jason Miller  1:19:26

else that’s pulling you, elevating you, and your experience of life,

 

Leon Logothetis  1:19:33

getting this movie out there, yeah, you know, one of the things that people say is, well, you must have had such an amazing experience. You went to India and you came back enlightened. Obviously, I did not come back enlightened, right? But what did happen you came back later? I did, yeah, but what did happen was that when I was editing the movie, I didn’t actually physically edit it, but I was giving notes. When I was watching the cuts and I was watching the videos, I would. Bucha, these wise people say wise things over and over and over and over and over again. There’s a scene with Nandini Ji at the statue of Shiva in Rishikesh, where I say to her, I want what you have. How do I get that? And she says four words that I live by. Don’t do just be four words, like I had to go all the way to India to hear those four words. You don’t have to go to India, because you can just watch the movie, right? Don’t do just be. That’s very difficult to do, because we all want to do don’t do just be,

 

Jason Miller  1:20:36

they think you’re speaking to something that I’ve noticed allows us to get out of the Do, do, do, Task, Task, Task stuff. You know, headlines, headlines, headlines, all that stuff. And that is simply a word that’s part of our mission at peaceful media, which is play, more play, play. And I noticed throughout the film, you and I chatted about this. Prior to this, I noticed throughout the film that you had moments as part of that montage. You had this moment of playing right, allowing yourself to feel your body moving, yes, dancing, yeah. And I’m imagining some of that felt really uncomfortable

 

Leon Logothetis  1:21:23

at the beginning. It did, but then you get into it and it becomes magical, right?

 

Jason Miller  1:21:27

Lose yourself. Yeah, absolutely right. You lose yourself that is firmly planted on the ground. Left brain thinking, gotta get more, gotta get security, gotta win, right? You get into that playful, laughing, absolutely rapturous, aliveness, there you go. Yeah. Is there anything else you would look right into that camera, to the your camera, to the person who’s watching this? Well, how? What would be your invitation? What would be your request?

 

Leon Logothetis  1:22:04

I would say that if you feel hopeless, there is hope, but often you have to make the first step towards that hope, and maybe, maybe that first step is watching the movie. Maybe it’s picking up the phone and calling a therapist. Maybe it’s reading a book, but it’s on you to make that first step, and I have faith that you will

 

1:22:33

Okay. Thank you.

 

Fran  1:22:35

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